Ukraine a New Little Russia?
April 27, 2010 – 4:51 am236 vote for BSF Agreement Extension, including 9 BYuT and 7 OurUkraine-Peoples Self Defence. Without 16 orange votes, the ratification would have failed, receiving only 220 votes.
http://gska2.rada.gov.ua/pls/radac_gs09/gol_karta_zal3?g_id=11639
19 Responses to “Ukraine a New Little Russia?”
Taras,
. Why? Is the reason in that the most of “experts” are either “former Russians” or those who are using information mainly from Russian language sources (our Ukrainian mass-media is not much better)? I have noticed that most of “Ukrainian experts” in the USA are at the same time the experts on Russia, those who lived several years in Moscow, etc. Also I can imagine that any foreigner visiting Ukraine practically cannot evaluate all the spectrum of so different political opinions in society and what’s more – the underlying reasons of them. It seems that he is automatically trapped by so called “elite society” of journalists, politologists – I’m sure wonderful, friendly people as individuals but I’m not so sure as for their honesty and morality in political views.
In spite of all my respect to you, please don’t mix up the word “orange” (as the symbol of Orange Revolution-2004 and all of it’s supporters) with the flag’s background color of one single party (BTW, calculate please the dynamics of support and percentage of traitors both in BYuT and NUNS since 2002). You should remember that some “patriots” in mid-2005 (protecting “Son’s of God” luxury life) even told the people that “orange symbolics is in private ownership of Yushchenko’s son…”. Taras Chornovil (the great “biologist” with unfinished education, today – great “specialist” in enriched Uranium-235 … “from the middle school”) told in 2004 that “orange is the dirty color of decomposition in nature” (BTW, orange is pure spectral color as well as blue – the difference is that one is “warm” and another – “cold”).
Well, it’s not the right time to discuss the symbolics of colors, but I’d like to hear your answer the question I asked you before both in blog and e-mail:
What’s your opinion on “imperative mandate”? As for me I still cannot see any logics in recommendations of so-called “Venice Comission” defending the priority of “human rights” of single higly corrupted deputy (what one can see in today’s Ukrainian parliament) and neglecting the same rights of millions of voters who (be sure) even could not imagine that a few parasites can change their choice and hopes in absolutely opposite direction. Who is so “clever” in this comission? Well – I pretty well know one of them – S.Holovaty, and maybe he is “the authour” of their “resolution”. Are the other the same ones? If so, they are not far from our club by the name of “Constitutional Court”.
One more apparent question. It seems to me that there is a great misunderstanding of processes in Ukraine in the West, I mean by most of western experts and analytics (I see you, Taras, rather as exception, maybe that is why you’ve got so many stupid negative comments in your blogs at UP
By Yuri_D on Apr 27, 2010
Yuri_D -
Don’t you think what you said points to the need for eliminating the “party list” system in Ukraine.
Doesn’t what you said in fact lead to the conclusion that members of parliament should be elected on an individual basis, so they can be held accountable to their districts?
Doesn’t what you said call for improvement of Ukrainian media, rather than criticism of Western reporters?
How are Western reporters supposed to find anything out if people like you don’t tell them anything?
As far as the stupid negative comments – come on, Yuri, sovok propaganda and mindset are still in full force and effect in Ukraine.
The Donbass Mafia employs people especially to flood blogs and newspapers with their little rooskie sovok proganda.
During the Orange Revolution, Ukrainian Pravda, PORA’s blog and others were literally flooded with “mlya, blya, and pornohrifiya”
(I didn’t use Ukrainian because for some reason it doesn’t seem to show up after the message is sent).
After 19 years, many Ukrainian still don’t know or understand that they live in Ukraine.
And many, many Ukrainians still don’t know or understand democracy.
They think that electing one thug versus another is the extent of it.
By elmer on Apr 28, 2010
Elmer, it’s curious that before answering you I opened e-mail and found wonderful article:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20627581.400-electoral-dysfunction-why-democracy-is-always-unfair.html
What’s interesting – I take it simultaneousely both seriously and of course – ironically (as the author says at the end).
Well, it’s very wide field for discussions, and as for your statements of facts – payed propaganda, flood, really poor understanding of democracy – I agree with most of them, maybe exluding “one thug versus another”.
As for “party lists” vs. “individal basis” – no, I think that today and namely in our country “party lists” are preferable (maybe corrected to so called “opened”, although it’s not so evidently as it seems). What is the main problem in our laws irrespectively of election systems stated above – complete lack of feedback mechanisms, inability both from the side of electors and parties to recall those individuals who one day start directly violate promises given to their electors. Those who defend “individual rights” of individual deputy maybe do not take in account the fact that any elected official simultaneousely with obtaining some additional rights deliberately agrees in limiting of some other ones (I think that “on law or moral basis” differs in dif. countries). And I don’t see any contradictions with “democracy” in it – quite the contrary, I think that balance of rights and responsibilities is one of the essential features of democracy.
By Yuri_D on Apr 29, 2010
Taras – Do you know why Oleksandr Palij’s blog within Ukrainska Pravda recently dissapeared?
He is also a political scientist who has a distinctly pro-Ukrainian point of view (not unlike yourself). Is this a sign of the new regime’s censoring of the press that we will see more & more of in the future? Perhaps, one day your own blog there will also just dissapear?
By KK on May 5, 2010
Don’t know why he has stopped. I doubt its censorship as there are a bunch of wackos on there still.
But, Prytula is still a difficult person to deal with. She bans me from publishing articles in UP since last year because she hates Tymoshenko. notice my blogs never appear on the home page.
By Taras on May 5, 2010
I hope that you don’t include Palij in your group of wackos (reading some of the comments to your articles there, you certainly have your
own critics?) However, it doesn’t really make sense that he would have had his blog discontinued, being in the ‘ukrainian political business’?? His articles were always interesting & full of historical info too. Could you double check with your contacts & verify if ‘Big Brother’ has indeed returned? Thanks!
By KK on May 5, 2010
No I don’t include him.
Chkaenko is the biggest nutcase.
Will try and find out.
By Taras on May 6, 2010
http://www.pravda.com.ua/articles/2010/05/6/5011213/
Palij
By Taras on May 6, 2010
Thanks for the article. However, I see that his
blog there is still missing. If you follow up on this, I promise to do the same if your blog ever dissapears. Also, what is your take on fellow blogger Tjahnybok’s being called to Kyiv to take part in another attempt at censorship’?
By KK on May 6, 2010
I just read the above cited article, & it again
reconfirms in my mind that Palij is a first class ukrainian politcal scientist whos articles are always worth reading (not unlike your’s Taras!)
By KK on May 6, 2010
Taras – open up your eyes now, berfore it’s too late: ?????????? ??? ??? ????????? ??? ???????
http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2010/05/7/5016492/
By KK on May 7, 2010
I met Palij today. He told me he never had a UP blog.
olexpalij@yahoo.com
By Taras on May 11, 2010
I could have swore that he had one! Interesting
that with as many articles as he’s had printed there, that he didn’t? What else did you chat about with him?
By KK on May 14, 2010
Continue to keep your eyes open: ‘State spies start to harass university’
At 9:27 a.m. on May 18, I, as rector of Ukrainian Catholic University, received a call on my private mobile phone from a representative of the Security Service of Ukraine, the Soviet KGB successor agency known as the SBU.
. Signing a document, such as the letter that was presented for signature to me, is tantamount to agreeing to cooperate (collaborate) with the SBU. The person signing, in effect, agrees with the contents of the letter and their implication. In KGB practice, getting a signature on a document that was drafted and kept by the KGB was a primary method of recruiting secret collaborators;
2. Such methods have no known precedent in independent Ukraine;
3. The confiscation of the letter after signature makes the letter and signature instruments to be used at the complete discretion of the SBU;
Read all on Kyiv Post…
By KK on May 28, 2010
5 ????? ??????? ??? ???? ????? ???
(5th national Channel complains about pressure from the head of the SBU.)
By KK on Jun 7, 2010
5th national Channel complains about pressure from the head of the SBU.
By KK on Jun 7, 2010
5 ????? ??????? ??? ???? ????? ??? (5th national Channel complains about pressure from the head of the SBU.)
By Sharron Clemons on Dec 21, 2010
What nice message
By Cheri Pallant on Jul 30, 2011
EyuRhwzQ Valium
By Up2date on Jan 5, 2012