Pukach Arrested
July 22, 2009 – 1:41 pmi do not like conspiracies but this stinks to high heaven. on Saturday Yushchenko declares his candidacy and 4 days later Pukach is arrested. Coincidence? They never are in Ukraine.
Video here:
http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2009/7/22/98747.htm
22 Responses to “Pukach Arrested”
I agree – this looks so politically inspired it is laughable.
Apparently Pukach has not even been hiding. He was carrying on normally and says that at no time did anyone come looking for him.
By Bohdan on Jul 23, 2009
The Gongadze case was a test case for Yushchenko’s presidency and he flunked it. We have to remain sceptical as it was Yushchenko who gave a medal to the prosecutor who covered up the murder (Potebenko).
Pukach was on an Interpol list as he was supposedly hiding abroad. If he was in Ukraine all of the last 5 years this means a) he did not fear arrest b) nobody was looking for him c) there was deliberate disinformation about him from the SBU and prosecutor’s office that he had fled abroad d) his lawyers claim that he gave himself up (rather than having been arrested) is plausible and maybe part of an elaborate plot hatched to help Yushchenko’s campaign.
3 politicians have cause to be concerned:
1. Kuchma – he must be wondering if he will “commit suicide with 2 bullets to the head”?
2. (Former presidential administration head in 2000-2001) Lytvyn – any revelations would impact on the ruling coalition and put to an end presidential campaign. As Lytvyn took Moroz’s votes in 2007 the SPU leader could well bounce back as was a hero in the Gongadze affair.
3. Yatseniuk – any rise in Yushchenko’s popularity will harm his ratings in Western Ukraine. Our Ukraine’s 14% is already split between Yushchenko-Yatseniuk-Grytsenko-Tyahnybok
By Taras Kuzio on Jul 23, 2009
See:
http://gazeta.ua/index.php?voting=20090722152404
By Bohdan on Jul 23, 2009
Dam it how annoying the guy’s been arrested or given himself up because he’s dying to spend the rest of his life in prison. No sorry as soon as Yush is re-elected he’ll “escape” from prison and disappear again to a villa in the Syshelles. Yush should have left him free for another half year and then Tym as the new President could have had him arrested.
By anon on Jul 23, 2009
Dear Dr.T.Kuzio,
I have read your new article in “UP” (http://main.pravda.com.ua/news/2009/7/23/98804.htm) and if you have read comments – it was a shame for me to read them, but please don’t make wrong conclusions. The huge quantity of dirty comments on your address reflects O.Prytula’s editorial politics.
The “war” against Yu.Tymoshenko has been started in “UP” yet in autumn 2005, but today Prytula declared direct war (without quotation marks, see her article in blog “Declaration of War”, http://blogs.pravda.com.ua/authors/prytula/4a6077808c428/. What she is doing with barefaced cynicism? Under the mask of struggle against “payed comments” (of course, as she speculates – from BYuT only) – she simply blocks or deletes those that contain argumented critism on Yushchenko. It reminds Orwell’s “Ministery of Truth”, isn’t it? And at the same time she does not moderate tons of mud addressed to Tymoshenko and her supporters even if they contain unprintable words.
I would like to consider this as an agony of Kuchma-Yushchenko’s system, and unfortunately “UP” is not an exclusion – almost all central mass media, so called “politologists”, “sociologists” are trying to lower the electorals sympathies for Tymoshenko. But as for me O.Prytula’s cynicism is beyound any morality, because till now “Ukrainian Pravda” exploits the name of Georgy Gongadze.
I highly appreciate your support for democracy in Ukraine, and it’s a pity that this can’t be said about our own politologists.
By Yuri_D on Jul 23, 2009
Let’s see – I seem to remember some sort of a deal that was made during the Orange Revolution.
There would be a re-vote, provided the Constitution was amended, AND prior actors – Kuchma and company – received some sort of “informal immunity.”
In return, supposedly, they agreed not to use troops (military or police) to kill the Orange Revolution protesters.
Pukach is living in poverty, supposedly, with a woman who did not know who he is – or was.
Seems like prison, and then “escaping” from prison, could be a likely scenario.
More than 72% of Ukrainians think this is a pre-election stunt by Yushchenko.
Amazing. A chess game in which all of the observers already know the moves and the motivations of the players.
For good reason.
All the more reason to get rid of the “political elite.”
And parliamentary immunity.
And party lists.
By elmer on Jul 25, 2009
So what if it’s a pre-election stunt. It’s actually a postive sign. It means that at least one candidate decided that it was a necessary move to help his re-election and therefore it’s still important enough for the voters. If the elite has to get elected then they’ll do what people want them to do and there’s a limit to how far they can pull the wool over. It gets really tedious hearing everyone carrying on blaming the elites when they have the power to chose what’s important for them and not be fooled forever by empty promises. If they remain cynical and helpless then the politicos will carry on doing whatever they want since everyone thinks there’re all cheats and crooks in anycase.
By anon on Jul 26, 2009
Well, I have to agree to a certain extent with the last comment.
Right results – “wrong motives.”
Whatever works.
Tymo eliminated Firtash and RUE, who was a source of funding for the Party of Regions – and Yushchenko.
Yushchenko arrests Pukach in order to get re-elected.
If doing the right thing is not a sufficient or important motive in Ukraine, then selfish motives are just as good in order to get a good result.
By elmer on Jul 27, 2009
Pre election ploy? Thanks for the chuckle. I wonder why Yulia’s sidekick, Turchinov, who according to your hypothesis, would have surely known of Pukach’s whereabouts when he headed the SBU, didn’t have him arrested back then? Could it be he didn’t have Tymoshenko’s approval to do so? If not, why not?
By Wolodymir on Jul 30, 2009
Its pathetic when people use any lame excuse to have a go at Tymoshenko. Pukach was arrested in 2003 and released by Kuchma after he fired Prosecutor Piskun. Pukach was in hiding from 2003 to 2009. How could Turchynov arrest him in 2005 if he had gone into hiding 2 years earlier. Duuuuhhhhhhh!!!!
In 2005 the SBU under Turchynov did send a SBU snatch squad to Israel to arrest Pukach and bring him back. The Israeli’s issued a diplomatic protest as the raid was not coordinated with their intelligence agencies. The raid failed because somebody in the prosecutors office tipped Pukach off. Since then the Ukrainian media has not talked of Pukach except to speculate that he was killed as he knew too much (I thought this theory might hold based on watching too many Soprano series) or that he was in hiding.
By Taras Kuzio on Aug 1, 2009
I will never forget the video of that jerk, Piskun, explaining to Myroslava Gongadze, how, oh, yes, indeed, it is possible for a person to commit suicide by shooting himself – twice – in the head.
That is in stark contrast with Lutsenko’s session, where Lustenko explained what happened.
So now – the same players are still around as when Heorhiy Gongadze was brutally killed.
We will see what’s changed in 9 years.
And if the former president (Kuchma), or a former general (Pukach), are subject to “one law for all.”
Or whether it’s still a “political elite” that can kill anyone on a whim with impunity and immunity.
By elmer on Aug 1, 2009
Your quote Taras: “Pukach was on an Interpol list as he was supposedly hiding abroad. If he was in Ukraine all of the last 5 years this means a) he did not fear arrest b) nobody was looking for him c) there was deliberate disinformation about him from the SBU and prosecutor’s office that he had fled abroad d) his lawyers claim that he gave himself up (rather than having been arrested) is plausible and maybe part of an elaborate plot hatched to help Yushchenko’s campaign.”
During this “5 years” Turchinov was head of SBU, and would thus have knowledge of Pukach’s whereabouts, if your theory holds water that the authorities knew of Pukachs whereabouts. Asking why Turchinov didnt go after him during this time is far from a “lame excuse” to go after Tymoshenko. Seems that just like the PM, you find it easier to blame everyone else. Come on Taras… Again, thanks for the chuckle.
By Wolodymir on Aug 2, 2009
This discussion attracts people who know nothing about Ukraine. Turchynov was removed as head of the SBU in September 2005 (!!!!) when the Tymoshenko government was removed. You are a complete idiot who knows nothing about Ukraine and just jumps in where you can to attack Tymoshenko. Since September 2005 there have been 2 Yushchenko loyalists in charge of the SBU. Tymoshenko returned to government only in December 2007 and never had any of her people as heads of the SBU.
Piskun remained as prosecutor a month longer than Tymoshenko and he was a key guy in ensuring the deals done in December 2004 were kept to by Yushchenko.
Can you now take back your accusations?
Now I am the one who is chuckling at your total ignorance.
By Taras Kuzio on Aug 2, 2009
Here’s the thing – the accusations of “pre-election ploy” and “Tymo’s failure” have one thing in common –
“loyalists” in the SBU, and in the system of crime investigation and crime prosecution in Ukraine.
That goes for the Yanukovych gang, as well.
And therein lies the crux of the problem – that crime investigation and crime prosecution in Ukraine is performed on a “loyalist” basis, and not on an independent, professional basis which is subject only to the requirements of law and professional procedures.
It seems to me that some reform is needed in this regard in Ukraine.
But, of course, in Ukraine, it’s impossible to get from A to B – even after one recognizes the problem, and the problem is widely known, and the public readily recognizes a “pre-election ploy” when they see one.
By elmer on Aug 2, 2009
Wolodymyr, the blame game and worse has been and is widely and viciously played in Ukraine – ?????? ????, etc.
But I doubt very, very much that Dr. Taras Kuzio is the cause of it.
You know as well as I do that the arrest of Pukach is WIDELY viewed in Ukraine as a desperate pre-election ploy by Yushchenko, who should have done what he promised in the first place.
If he had followed through on his promises, his ratings would have been 80% or even higher. As it is, he chose to support crooks like Firtash and Fursin and Akhmetov and Yanukovych and Kuchma and company.
Right now, the system in Ukraine is that the “political elite” are simply a bunch of pigs feeding off the government trough.
That system has to be changed, or Ukraine will not last.
But the “political elite” will not change it voluntarily.
So far, only slight changes have come about, not out of a motive of “doing what’s right,” but out of self-interest.
So Pukach is arrested, finally, as a pre-election ploy.
RosUkrEnergo is eliminate, finally, a a middleman, so that Firtash and his thugs can no longer use their cream-skimming to fund the Party of Regions.
There has to be more – a lot more.
But it won’t happen unless the people wake up, and it won’t happen unless the people demand that the rules of the game be changed, so that everyone can play fair.
Otherwise, it will just be the same old kaleidescope – same “political elite,” just a different pattern, but the game will be the same – everything for the benefit of the “political elite”, nothing for the people.
I thought Lutsenko would show people the way to go – against all odds, he gathered huge crowds, even against the efforts of the Party of Regions to squish his rallies around the country. But the people still came.
Now – nothing.
Tymo is a fierce self-promoter – too much so.
Yanyk is – well, he’s Yanuk, he’s nothing.
Yats is articulate and intelligent, but he’s beholden to Pinchuk and company. Too bad.
I was hoping and praying that someone else would step forward.
No such luck yet.
By elmer on Aug 2, 2009
I see you’ve started deleting comments insteasd of answering like you used to. Why?
By anon on Aug 5, 2009
The reforms introduced in 2004/5 were a step in the right direction. They were not rushed as Elmer claims and had been debated extensively for over two years. Yes they were a compromise but never the less positive overall. The hype about Parliamentary immunity is just that hype. Mame one example where Parliamentary immunity has not been withdrawn when applied for. Under Yushchenko’s proposed reforms judges who hold the same limited immunity as members of parliament is retained. the only person who has absolute immunity is the president of Ukraine.
Yushchenko betrayed Ukraine and the ideal of the Orange revolution. His first act of betrayal was in 2006 when Our Ukraine refused to form an “orange” governing coalition and tried to form a coalition with Party of Regions. They tied to first oust Yulia from the PM position and then when that failed they denied the Socialist Party the right to be speaker.
In 2007 Yushchenko illegally and unconstitutionally dismissed Ukraine’s parliament. His motive, The Parliament was seeking support for constitutional reform that would see Ukraine become a full parliamentary democracy in line with other European states. He illegally interfered with the independence and operation of Ukraine’s Constitutional court in order to prevent the Court from ruling against his decree. (Had he been in a Western democracy he would have faced impeachment proceedings for his actions)
His actions caused seven months of political and civil unrest. Following the December 2007 election he once again tried to oust Yulia.
In 2008 one year after the last parliamentary election Yushenko agianasoughght to dismiss Ukraine’s Parliament by withdrawing from the governing coalition. It became known that he wanted to form a coalition with Party of regions under his own terms. Motive. The Parliament was intending on reforming Ukraine’s Constitution to have the head of state directly elected by the parliament as is the case in many “western” democracies.
Faced with a back room revolt Yushchenko was forced to back down, although he has continued to undermine Ukraine’s Parliamentary government at every opportunity.
The fact remains that Yushchen is the prproblem not the solution. He should have been impeached for his actions in 2007.
Yushchenko’s proposed Constitutional reforms are the greatest threat to democracy in Ukraine today.
If implemented it would see Ukraine revert back to a Presidential autocracy with the President holding absolute power over the courts, The Parliament and the Government with little to no checks and balance.
If you think that his reforms are worthy of support then think again. Ask yourself would you support it if someone else, not to your liking, was elected President?
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By UkrToday on Sep 20, 2009
UkrYesterday, you keep spouting the same old stuff at every web site you can find, including the same old smelly canard about Yushchenko.
First, Ukraine’s problems are not solely the result of Yushchenko’s actions or inaction.
Second, when the Parliament was disbanded, there was good reason for it – the Party of Regions was buying up deputies for money in order to form a veto-proof super-majority.
Third, noone is going to take Yushchenko’s constitutional proposal and act on it.
Fourth, the biggest threat to Ukraine is the oligarchs who have Ukrainian government by the throat, for their own personal benefit, to the detriment of the people, and in disregard of people and their rights. Akhmetov, Firtash, Pinchuk, Hajduk, Taruta, Kolomoisky, etc – the whole gang of thugs.
Fifth, there is no basis for parliamentary immunity in a democracy – “one law for all.” Time after time, investigations of crimes by members of Parliament have been delayed or derailed due to immunity.
Sixth, it’s not just immunity that’s a problem – it’s also lack of representative government caused by the party list system, by which oligarchs and their political machine buy their way onto party lists, and into Parliament, with no accountability to voters or anyone else.
Seventh, the Party of Rogues has been physically blocking Parliament for 2 years now.
Ukraine’s government is a madhouse, and everyone knows it. Ukraine fatigue set in a long time ago.
Getting rid of government by the oligarchs, for the oligarchs and of the oligarchs is the only way to a sane and effective government in Ukraine.
And kowtowing to rasha is the last thing Ukraine ought to do.
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