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		<title>By: elmer</title>
		<link>http://blog.taraskuzio.net/2009/07/06/russians-take-over-running-yatseniuk-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-19573</link>
		<dc:creator>elmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The issue of parliamentary immunity has led to a jerk like Lozinsky killing an innnocent man who lived with his mother.  And Lozinsky obviously lied about it.  Because he feels like a &quot;master of the region,&quot; and because he &quot;owns&quot; the cops and the judges.


It&#039;s not a new issue.  Here is an article which traces the removal of parliamentary immunity for individuals, the first one being Stepan Chmara:

http://novynar.com.ua/analytics/government/75560

The article points out that the very first one was under the &quot;leadership&quot; of Sandro Moroz - and the commies were trying to get rid of a political opponent.

That one was in 1990, before independence.

The first one in independent Ukraine to have his immunity removed was Yefim Zviahilsky, who managed to escape from the confines of Ukraine.  Zviahilsky is the same tub of lard who recently figured in the horrible coal mine explosions in Ukraine as the Owner - no, wait, he&#039;s not the owner - no, wait, he is the owner - no, wait, noone knows who owns the mines that explode, but Zviahilsky and others manage to collect money from the coal mines.

Then, in 1999, it was Paul Lazarenko, who got too big for his britches.  But he managed to leave with more than $100 million dollars, and ended up in California buying Eddie Murphy&#039;s mansion, the one with 5 swimming pools.  Thank you, people of Ukraine, for contributing to the real estate market of California, and to the hedonistic life style of Lazarenko.

Lazarenko screamed the whole time that he was escaping &quot;political persecution&quot; in Ukraine.  Until he was arrested and convicted in a San Francisco federal court for money laundering, a violation of US laws.  Thank you, people of Ukraine, for improving the lives of Lazarenko&#039;s lawyers, who defended him for BIG MONEY.  Lazarenko&#039;s money schemes were used by the US Dept of Justice as a primer for terrorist financing techniques.  He had accounts all over the world, which he shifted around.  The court&#039;s opinions lay it all out.

Next, in 2000, was Victor Zherdytsky, who was arrested by German police.  Then there was Michael Ahafanov, who wound up dying in a hospital - according to the official version.

The majority of those who had immunity removed wound up outside the borders of Ukraine.

Amnesty would only promote the current situation.

I think the old saying &quot;sink or swim&quot; applies.

As Dr. Phil would say - &quot;how&#039;s that corruption and immunity working for y&#039;all&quot;?

It&#039;s not - except for a few &quot;political elite.&quot;

18 years of a horrifying, putrid &quot;political elite&quot; in Ukraine is enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue of parliamentary immunity has led to a jerk like Lozinsky killing an innnocent man who lived with his mother.  And Lozinsky obviously lied about it.  Because he feels like a &#8220;master of the region,&#8221; and because he &#8220;owns&#8221; the cops and the judges.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a new issue.  Here is an article which traces the removal of parliamentary immunity for individuals, the first one being Stepan Chmara:</p>
<p><a href="http://novynar.com.ua/analytics/government/75560" rel="nofollow">http://novynar.com.ua/analytics/government/75560</a></p>
<p>The article points out that the very first one was under the &#8220;leadership&#8221; of Sandro Moroz &#8211; and the commies were trying to get rid of a political opponent.</p>
<p>That one was in 1990, before independence.</p>
<p>The first one in independent Ukraine to have his immunity removed was Yefim Zviahilsky, who managed to escape from the confines of Ukraine.  Zviahilsky is the same tub of lard who recently figured in the horrible coal mine explosions in Ukraine as the Owner &#8211; no, wait, he&#8217;s not the owner &#8211; no, wait, he is the owner &#8211; no, wait, noone knows who owns the mines that explode, but Zviahilsky and others manage to collect money from the coal mines.</p>
<p>Then, in 1999, it was Paul Lazarenko, who got too big for his britches.  But he managed to leave with more than $100 million dollars, and ended up in California buying Eddie Murphy&#8217;s mansion, the one with 5 swimming pools.  Thank you, people of Ukraine, for contributing to the real estate market of California, and to the hedonistic life style of Lazarenko.</p>
<p>Lazarenko screamed the whole time that he was escaping &#8220;political persecution&#8221; in Ukraine.  Until he was arrested and convicted in a San Francisco federal court for money laundering, a violation of US laws.  Thank you, people of Ukraine, for improving the lives of Lazarenko&#8217;s lawyers, who defended him for BIG MONEY.  Lazarenko&#8217;s money schemes were used by the US Dept of Justice as a primer for terrorist financing techniques.  He had accounts all over the world, which he shifted around.  The court&#8217;s opinions lay it all out.</p>
<p>Next, in 2000, was Victor Zherdytsky, who was arrested by German police.  Then there was Michael Ahafanov, who wound up dying in a hospital &#8211; according to the official version.</p>
<p>The majority of those who had immunity removed wound up outside the borders of Ukraine.</p>
<p>Amnesty would only promote the current situation.</p>
<p>I think the old saying &#8220;sink or swim&#8221; applies.</p>
<p>As Dr. Phil would say &#8211; &#8220;how&#8217;s that corruption and immunity working for y&#8217;all&#8221;?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not &#8211; except for a few &#8220;political elite.&#8221;</p>
<p>18 years of a horrifying, putrid &#8220;political elite&#8221; in Ukraine is enough.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think as well it wasn&#039;t possible to put the bandits in prison and isn&#039;t because of there&#039;s no judicial system but how exactly would an ammensty be given? Who to, for what and by whom? Especially the last: who&#039;s clean enough and has the authority to give an amnesty.  

I agree with everything else especially that Yush didn&#039;t even attempt to do anything about the prosecutor&#039;s office. 

But you don&#039;t believe for a minute that Tymoshenko would do anything of what you said do you? She&#039;s all for keeping the present system so long as she can manage it and when she can&#039;t she won&#039;t be there any longer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think as well it wasn&#8217;t possible to put the bandits in prison and isn&#8217;t because of there&#8217;s no judicial system but how exactly would an ammensty be given? Who to, for what and by whom? Especially the last: who&#8217;s clean enough and has the authority to give an amnesty.  </p>
<p>I agree with everything else especially that Yush didn&#8217;t even attempt to do anything about the prosecutor&#8217;s office. </p>
<p>But you don&#8217;t believe for a minute that Tymoshenko would do anything of what you said do you? She&#8217;s all for keeping the present system so long as she can manage it and when she can&#8217;t she won&#8217;t be there any longer.</p>
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		<title>By: elmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>elmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 03:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Taras, do they have COMPLETE immunity?

For example, in the US, members of Congress cannot be arrested for legislative activity.

However, there is no person in Congress that has immunity for committing a crime.  Not even the President of the US has immunity.

For example, Congressman Jefferson was investigated and arrested for bribery.  He had stashed about $90,000 in his refrigerator at home.  He&#039;s not the only example.

And, as President Clinton found out, an ordinary citizen of the US, Paula Jones, was permitted to proceed with her CIVIL lawsuit against him while he was President, for activities stemming from his days as governor of Arkansas.

Big business in the US is not permitted to contribute directly to individual campaigns.  And there is a limit on the dollar amount which individuals can contribute.

All of those contributions are tracked, and reports are required to be filed, and are available for PUBLIC inspection.

Thus, one would not have to guess &quot;who is funding Yatseniuk&quot;?

And does, or will, Yatseniuk, owe any favors to his contributors?

And - in Western democracies, representatives to legislative bodies are not elected through &quot;party lists.&quot;

There is no amnesty required in Ukraine.  Poroshenko, Pinchuk and others are not in Parliament.

There is only reform that&#039;s required in Ukraine.

Otherwise, as Yushchenko said - &quot;corruption is killing the country.&quot;

Look at the Euro 2012 fiasco - Ukrainians learned very, very quickly how to STEAL.  But when it comes to actually accomplishing something - chimps could do better.

Tymoshenko&#039;s challenge was - &quot;let&#039;s form the best government in the world.&quot;

What a joke!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taras, do they have COMPLETE immunity?</p>
<p>For example, in the US, members of Congress cannot be arrested for legislative activity.</p>
<p>However, there is no person in Congress that has immunity for committing a crime.  Not even the President of the US has immunity.</p>
<p>For example, Congressman Jefferson was investigated and arrested for bribery.  He had stashed about $90,000 in his refrigerator at home.  He&#8217;s not the only example.</p>
<p>And, as President Clinton found out, an ordinary citizen of the US, Paula Jones, was permitted to proceed with her CIVIL lawsuit against him while he was President, for activities stemming from his days as governor of Arkansas.</p>
<p>Big business in the US is not permitted to contribute directly to individual campaigns.  And there is a limit on the dollar amount which individuals can contribute.</p>
<p>All of those contributions are tracked, and reports are required to be filed, and are available for PUBLIC inspection.</p>
<p>Thus, one would not have to guess &#8220;who is funding Yatseniuk&#8221;?</p>
<p>And does, or will, Yatseniuk, owe any favors to his contributors?</p>
<p>And &#8211; in Western democracies, representatives to legislative bodies are not elected through &#8220;party lists.&#8221;</p>
<p>There is no amnesty required in Ukraine.  Poroshenko, Pinchuk and others are not in Parliament.</p>
<p>There is only reform that&#8217;s required in Ukraine.</p>
<p>Otherwise, as Yushchenko said &#8211; &#8220;corruption is killing the country.&#8221;</p>
<p>Look at the Euro 2012 fiasco &#8211; Ukrainians learned very, very quickly how to STEAL.  But when it comes to actually accomplishing something &#8211; chimps could do better.</p>
<p>Tymoshenko&#8217;s challenge was &#8211; &#8220;let&#8217;s form the best government in the world.&#8221;</p>
<p>What a joke!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Taras</title>
		<link>http://blog.taraskuzio.net/2009/07/06/russians-take-over-running-yatseniuk-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-19568</link>
		<dc:creator>Taras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 14:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every democracy has parliamentary immunity. Removing it is populist and irrelevant to dealing with members corruption. 
Oligarchs and businessmen will only not want to enter parliament if business and politics is separated. That will require an amnesty. The other alternative of bndits to prison was not actioned and is now not going to ever happen. In addition, the courts are completely corrupt and judges can be bribed to reach any verdict. Akhmetov will not want to enter parliament after an anmesty. 
Coupled with an amnesty there needs to be a complete radical shake up of the courts,SBU, prosecutors office and Interior Ministry.You cannot expect rule of law if you choose - like Yushchenko - prosecutors such as Piskun and Medvedko who are dinosaurs. 
The question of party financing requires dealing with the shadow economy as this money is in the form of slosh cash. It is also complicated as in Western democracies big business gives money to parties but transparently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every democracy has parliamentary immunity. Removing it is populist and irrelevant to dealing with members corruption.<br />
Oligarchs and businessmen will only not want to enter parliament if business and politics is separated. That will require an amnesty. The other alternative of bndits to prison was not actioned and is now not going to ever happen. In addition, the courts are completely corrupt and judges can be bribed to reach any verdict. Akhmetov will not want to enter parliament after an anmesty.<br />
Coupled with an amnesty there needs to be a complete radical shake up of the courts,SBU, prosecutors office and Interior Ministry.You cannot expect rule of law if you choose &#8211; like Yushchenko &#8211; prosecutors such as Piskun and Medvedko who are dinosaurs.<br />
The question of party financing requires dealing with the shadow economy as this money is in the form of slosh cash. It is also complicated as in Western democracies big business gives money to parties but transparently.</p>
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		<title>By: elmer</title>
		<link>http://blog.taraskuzio.net/2009/07/06/russians-take-over-running-yatseniuk-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-19567</link>
		<dc:creator>elmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 14:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of this points out the desparate need for campaign finance reform in Ukraine, so that oligarchs can&#039;t buy elections.

And for the elimination of &quot;party lists.&quot;

And for the elimination of parliamentary immunity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of this points out the desparate need for campaign finance reform in Ukraine, so that oligarchs can&#8217;t buy elections.</p>
<p>And for the elimination of &#8220;party lists.&#8221;</p>
<p>And for the elimination of parliamentary immunity.</p>
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