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	<title>Comments on: Diaspora History’s of Ukraine</title>
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		<title>By: Anatol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anatol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 16:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is in response to Michael Brytans entry above.  You can find Dr. Kuzio&#039;s cogent analysis of the Rusyn question right here on his websight by looking up the article &quot;Rusyns in Ukraine: Sorting Out Fact From Fiction (Publications;Journals)  In it, Kuzio immediately calls into question Magocsi&#039;s &quot;uneven analyses of sources&quot; that always seem to underscore Rusyn distinctiveness.
By analyzing the social, historical, language and artistic traditions of the inhabitants of the westernmost part of Ukraine &amp; the bordering regions, one can see that these people do indeed belong to the Ukrainian nation.  Magocsi has failed to show how these Rusyns are entitled to their own separate nationality, whereas the Rusyns in neighboring Bukovina, Galicia &amp; Volhynia all belong to the Ukrainian nation.  Actually, Kuzio&#039;s &amp; Magocsi&#039;s opinions on the timing of the transformation of Rusyns into Ukrainians in these regions coincides;  Sometime after the incorporation of these lands into the Soviet Ukraine. So the question that now needs to be answered by Magocsi is why is he trying to recreate a contrevercy that was settled more than a half century ago?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is in response to Michael Brytans entry above.  You can find Dr. Kuzio&#8217;s cogent analysis of the Rusyn question right here on his websight by looking up the article &#8220;Rusyns in Ukraine: Sorting Out Fact From Fiction (Publications;Journals)  In it, Kuzio immediately calls into question Magocsi&#8217;s &#8220;uneven analyses of sources&#8221; that always seem to underscore Rusyn distinctiveness.<br />
By analyzing the social, historical, language and artistic traditions of the inhabitants of the westernmost part of Ukraine &amp; the bordering regions, one can see that these people do indeed belong to the Ukrainian nation.  Magocsi has failed to show how these Rusyns are entitled to their own separate nationality, whereas the Rusyns in neighboring Bukovina, Galicia &amp; Volhynia all belong to the Ukrainian nation.  Actually, Kuzio&#8217;s &amp; Magocsi&#8217;s opinions on the timing of the transformation of Rusyns into Ukrainians in these regions coincides;  Sometime after the incorporation of these lands into the Soviet Ukraine. So the question that now needs to be answered by Magocsi is why is he trying to recreate a contrevercy that was settled more than a half century ago?</p>
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		<title>By: Roman Senkus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roman Senkus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 19:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Taras,

You should change &quot;History&#039;s&quot; to &quot;Histories&quot; in this blog&#039;s title. &quot;History&#039;s&quot; is the singular possessive form.

Roman</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taras,</p>
<p>You should change &#8220;History&#8217;s&#8221; to &#8220;Histories&#8221; in this blog&#8217;s title. &#8220;History&#8217;s&#8221; is the singular possessive form.</p>
<p>Roman</p>
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		<title>By: Nestor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nestor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 07:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having read Robet Magocsi’s History of Ukraine I will not be rushing out to buy his illustrated book.  Whilst I found some of the events written in his history book of interst there was much missing. Which is not surprising given the extent of history of Ukrainian region.  As I progressed though the book there were more gaps ad question left unanswered.  His coverage of the battle of Poltava was very light indeed.  If anything I found his book to be more about the history of the Ukrainian language the the history of Ukraine.  Ukraine is a very diverse country and is home to a many ethic linguistic communities.  It is this diversity that makes Ukraine what it is today.  Hungarians, Roma, Jewish, Hutzals, Russians, Tartas, Polish, German and Swedish communities exist within its boarders. Nationalism is good for developing ad preserving cultural history but Nationalism as a political tool is very dangerous indeed. Ukraine must embrace its diversity and stop dividing this new nation along ethic-geopolitical lines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having read Robet Magocsi’s History of Ukraine I will not be rushing out to buy his illustrated book.  Whilst I found some of the events written in his history book of interst there was much missing. Which is not surprising given the extent of history of Ukrainian region.  As I progressed though the book there were more gaps ad question left unanswered.  His coverage of the battle of Poltava was very light indeed.  If anything I found his book to be more about the history of the Ukrainian language the the history of Ukraine.  Ukraine is a very diverse country and is home to a many ethic linguistic communities.  It is this diversity that makes Ukraine what it is today.  Hungarians, Roma, Jewish, Hutzals, Russians, Tartas, Polish, German and Swedish communities exist within its boarders. Nationalism is good for developing ad preserving cultural history but Nationalism as a political tool is very dangerous indeed. Ukraine must embrace its diversity and stop dividing this new nation along ethic-geopolitical lines.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Brytan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Brytan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 20:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TTaras,

The unification of Rusyns into a modern independent Ruthenian state known as Ukraine was relatively late relative to the birth of many other European nations.    It maybe be argued that a ‘Ukrainian identity’ is a relatively modern concept and not fully adopted by many of the Ukrainians.   It may be further argued that the Transcarpathian region (Zakarpatska Oblast / Zakarpattia) due to it’s geographical location evolved differently relatively to other Rusyn lands and may indeed have morphed into a 4th distinct Slavic group.   There is plenty of historical information which could potentially support this hypothesis.  There is just as much, if not more information which support the equally ‘uniqueness’ of other Rusyn groups such as the Bukovynians, Galicians, and others who have also had mixed identities.   Let’s not forget that Pope John Paul’s mother who was born well east of Drohobych referred to herself as a Rusyn when she emigrated to Krakow during the World War One era.    

Perhaps what irks most Ukrainian nationalists is not that some people refer to themselves as Rusyn, or perhaps as he claims have a ‘unique 4th Slavic identity’, but two other issues including the historical accuracy (integrity) of his works, and Prof. Magosci’s political activism which no matter what is said are plain old ‘separatism’.

First, in his Ukrainian history books he promotes a Ukrainian nationalist version of Carpatho-Rus history, but in his Rusyn History book, the tone of the content is decisively anti-Ukrainian nationalist.   In fact, Magosci (an ethnic Hungarian-Canadian) co-authored his Rusyn History book with a Prof. Ivan Pop who is a Russian from Moscow.  Not surprisingly, the tone of the book is Magyarophilic, Russophillic, and definitely anti-Ukrainian nationalist.    

Second, Prof. Magosci’s recent actions in the Transcarpathian region go far beyond writing history books.  Magosci has bee extremely active in establishing, nurturing, and externally promoting the idea of a Rusyn nationality different than that of the rest of Ukraine.   His political activities in Ukraine have been most definitely ‘separatist’ in nature.  Although he himself is ever careful not to publicly cross the line and openly advocate independence for the Transcarpathian region, all of his ‘hanger-ons’ do, including many US citizens whose ancestors immigrated to this nation several generations ago.  Richard Custer who heads a Carpatho-Rusyn ethnic association here in the USA would be a prime example.   Mr Custer is a rabid anti-Ukrainian nationalist who was raised in the Byzantine American Church (formerly the Ruthenian Greek Catholic Church) and does not speak any Slavic languages.  

Although I appreciate your analysis of Prof. Magosci, I would urge you to read a little more and ask him to explain the points I have made above.

Michael Brytan

PS: Z Sumivskym pryvitom z New Yorku – Hartuish !
PPS: I liked your picture of Bohdan Gogush at Verkhovyna (Quebec) last summer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TTaras,</p>
<p>The unification of Rusyns into a modern independent Ruthenian state known as Ukraine was relatively late relative to the birth of many other European nations.    It maybe be argued that a ‘Ukrainian identity’ is a relatively modern concept and not fully adopted by many of the Ukrainians.   It may be further argued that the Transcarpathian region (Zakarpatska Oblast / Zakarpattia) due to it’s geographical location evolved differently relatively to other Rusyn lands and may indeed have morphed into a 4th distinct Slavic group.   There is plenty of historical information which could potentially support this hypothesis.  There is just as much, if not more information which support the equally ‘uniqueness’ of other Rusyn groups such as the Bukovynians, Galicians, and others who have also had mixed identities.   Let’s not forget that Pope John Paul’s mother who was born well east of Drohobych referred to herself as a Rusyn when she emigrated to Krakow during the World War One era.    </p>
<p>Perhaps what irks most Ukrainian nationalists is not that some people refer to themselves as Rusyn, or perhaps as he claims have a ‘unique 4th Slavic identity’, but two other issues including the historical accuracy (integrity) of his works, and Prof. Magosci’s political activism which no matter what is said are plain old ‘separatism’.</p>
<p>First, in his Ukrainian history books he promotes a Ukrainian nationalist version of Carpatho-Rus history, but in his Rusyn History book, the tone of the content is decisively anti-Ukrainian nationalist.   In fact, Magosci (an ethnic Hungarian-Canadian) co-authored his Rusyn History book with a Prof. Ivan Pop who is a Russian from Moscow.  Not surprisingly, the tone of the book is Magyarophilic, Russophillic, and definitely anti-Ukrainian nationalist.    </p>
<p>Second, Prof. Magosci’s recent actions in the Transcarpathian region go far beyond writing history books.  Magosci has bee extremely active in establishing, nurturing, and externally promoting the idea of a Rusyn nationality different than that of the rest of Ukraine.   His political activities in Ukraine have been most definitely ‘separatist’ in nature.  Although he himself is ever careful not to publicly cross the line and openly advocate independence for the Transcarpathian region, all of his ‘hanger-ons’ do, including many US citizens whose ancestors immigrated to this nation several generations ago.  Richard Custer who heads a Carpatho-Rusyn ethnic association here in the USA would be a prime example.   Mr Custer is a rabid anti-Ukrainian nationalist who was raised in the Byzantine American Church (formerly the Ruthenian Greek Catholic Church) and does not speak any Slavic languages.  </p>
<p>Although I appreciate your analysis of Prof. Magosci, I would urge you to read a little more and ask him to explain the points I have made above.</p>
<p>Michael Brytan</p>
<p>PS: Z Sumivskym pryvitom z New Yorku – Hartuish !<br />
PPS: I liked your picture of Bohdan Gogush at Verkhovyna (Quebec) last summer.</p>
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